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Alex wrote, inter alia:
> But the core of the issue is that, in it's current form, the standard > basically says that it won't take care of size for cue size clefs within the > context of a SMuFL font and instead entrust this to the application. I can't > see that this is an approach that is taken with any other symbol in SMuFL > and I therefore find it highly inconsistent with the general standards of > the whole project. It won't surprise you, I'm sure, to hear that I disagree with you on this point. Dave's argument is that he wants to use a single point size, matching the staff size, to draw all symbols, which is why his font in Mozart contains smaller clef glyphs for clef changes. However, he readily admits that his ambition to use a single point size is thwarted by the requirements of drawing cue notes and grace notes, with their accoutrements such as accidentals and articulations, which he does not also provide at both cue- and grace note-size (nor indeed at cue-grace note-size!) in his font. So to draw cue and grace notes, he has to switch point sizes. Nevertheless, for Mozart, Dave just wants three extra glyphs: clef change versions of the common G, C, and F clefs. By comparison, SMuFL encodes 41 recommended clefs, and additionally a further 9 optional stylistic alternates, and 62 optional ligated forms (primarily to accommodate numbers above and below G and F clefs). Which of these are "important" enough to require dedicated clef change glyphs? Just the G, C, and F clefs? What about the historical variants? What about the clefs denoting the octave transposition of an instrument? What about the clefs denoting transposition of any interval? It is common to require a variety of different symbols at different effective sizes even when drawing music for a single staff size. It is my opinion that it is entirely arbitrary to single out clefs for special treatment. There is also some debate over the exact amount by which the size of a clef should be reduced for a clef change: the arithmetic required to achieve a different scale factor is complicated considerably if the clef change glyphs have already been scaled by some arbitrary amount by the font designer. > How is a designer to accomplish a consistent and harmonious typographic > concept while having no fine control over glyph size for a completely > common-place use case? The approach I'm taking for Bravura, for what it's worth, is to create a stylistic set containing optical variants designed to be drawn at smaller sizes, so that the stroke thicknesses etc. match the larger size. I have based the glyphs I've drawn so far around a nominal reduction in size to 75% normal size, and adjusted the strokes that they will appear as thick as full-size glyphs when drawn at 75% of the size. This includes the common clef glyphs. The plan is for our application to work out when a glyph is going to be drawn smaller than a certain real size (not point size, but the actual effective size) and automatically select the optical variant stylistic set for that glyph. (I believe LilyPond does something similar, except it switches to a different version of Emmentaler altogether; being based on Metafont, it's easy for the LilyPond developers to generate subtly different weights of the font to be used at different staff sizes, analogous to the different punches used at different rastral sizes in the days of hand engraving.) Anyway, I remain unmoved on this point. Adding dedicated clef change glyphs for all clefs duplicates too many glyphs; adding dedicated clef change glyphs only for the three most commonly-used clefs is arbitrary; it is not the case that adding any number of dedicated clef change glyphs would obviate the need for drawing glyphs at different point sizes for the same effective staff size; and font designers and application vendors have the freedom to use the "private use area" if they disagree. Daniel - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Steinberg Media Technologies GmbH, Frankenstrasse 18b, D-20097 Hamburg, Germany Phone: +49 (40) 21035-0 | Fax: +49 (40) 21035-300 | www.steinberg.net President / Managing Director: Andreas Stelling Managing Director: Kazunori Kobayashi, Hiroshi Sasaki Registration Court: Hamburg HRB 86534 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ############################################################# This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list <[hidden email]>. To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <[hidden email]> To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to <[hidden email]> To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to <[hidden email]> Send administrative queries to <[hidden email]> |
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