[smufl-discuss] Re: [smufl-discuss]

[cecilio]

Florian,

> But there are no lower case clefs, so that won’t be a solution.

It is just a name. The point is to consider clef and clef change
symbols as different conceptual entities. As they are totally
different, they have a different name (whatever, it doesn't matter,):
"Upper G clef"a and "Lower G clef", or "Big G clef"  and "Smal G
clef", or perhaps something more appropriate such as "G clef" and "G
clef change".

And as both are different conceptual entities both have their own
glyph. It is just "a concidence" that the glyph for one is a smaller
version of the glyph for the other one. It is just like the glyphs for
number zero and letter O. It is just "a coincidence" that both are
represented by a circle, but as they are different conceptual
entities, both "have the right" to have character name and glyph (code
point).

So my point is: stop considering clef and clef change as the same
concept, thus forcing to share the same codepoint. They are different
concepts and so they deserve the right to have different codepoints.

Regrads,
Cecilio

2013/5/30 Florian Fecher <[hidden email]>:

>> Mark
>>
>>> . The problem with having 2/3-size clefs as separate codepoints is
>> that "Unicode does not encode glyphs"; it encodes characters. If it
>> functions as a G-clef, it's a G-clef regardless of the size or design.
>> Daniel is right that scaled-down clefs need to be character
>> alternates.
>>
>> Perhaps it is just a question of assigning a different character name
>> to full size clefs and 2/3 size clefs. For instance, we have upper
>> case A letter and lower case A letter. Both are A letter but they are
>> two different characters. The same can be done with clefs: for
>> instance, "Upper G clef" (full size) and "Lower G clef" (2/3 size).
>> Could this be a solution?
>>
>> Cecilio Salmeron
>
>
> Important point and you’re right, Unicode encodes characters not glyphs.
>
> But there are no lower case clefs, so that won’t be a solution. Those clefs
> are just smaller versions. There are smaller versions of upper case letters
> in text fonts, i.e. small caps or, even smaller, petite caps. Small cap letters
> don’t have an own codepoint (obviously because they are basically lower
> case letters with the shape of upper case ones, just smaller with an adjusted
> contrast).
>
> That’s where a standard needs to have a naming convention for smaller
> versions of encoded characters.
>
> An example how this works in text fonts
>
> A is named A (uni0041)
> a is named a (uni0061)
>
> small cap lower case
> a.sc or a.smcp (no codepoint)
>
> petite cap lower case
> a.pcap (no codepoint)
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